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Poll: Compilations (2 member(s) have cast votes)

Are you happy with the current position regarding these ?

  1. Yes its fine it is the same game after all (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Yes: Provided the unavailable game does not contain fixes (1 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  3. No I would like to see the available titles, well 'available' please (1 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  4. It does not matter to me (1 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

If a compilation contains more than 50% available titles should they be available ?

  1. Yes: Provided they are different in some way (1 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  2. Yes regardless (2 votes [66.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 66.67%

  3. No (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

If a compilation contains only ONE valid title is it worth making this available ?

  1. Yes: Provided they are different in some way (1 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  2. Yes regardless (1 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  3. No (1 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

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#1 Spider

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 01:02 PM

Merely interested in any thoughts... A poll is attached and it is anonymous.

 

Various compilations have a 'denied' status due to their content, where the entire or near entire content is built from denied games well that's fair enough. Although from a personal standpoint I am slightly curious by some things being in this state these days, that is a completely different matter and up to the author(s) concerned if they wish to release or not their titles. :)

 

The question or concern (depending on how you want to view it) is about preservation and originality. Let us take two examples to work with as that will easily explain this all. For 'available' I refer to it being downloadable on its own individual page where it was originally a 'stand alone' release.

 

"Games compilation one"

 

1. Game one (available)

2. Game two (available)

3. Game three (denied)

4. Game four (available)

5.Game five (available)

6. Game six (available)

7. Game seven (denied)

8. Game eight (available)

 

 

"Games compilation two"

 

1. Game one (denied)

2. Game two (denied)

3. Game three (available)

4. Game four (denied)

5. Game five (denied)

 

 

The compilations are not available because they contain a denied titles. I have purposely not included 'real' examples although I could do if required. There are several schools of thought on this however:

 

In order to ensure the files that are available are original and unmodified, the tape file is denied due to its content. This does make perfectly logical sense until you consider the small fact that the 'available' titles inside a denied compilation might be quite different to their 'stand alone' variants. By this I mean:

 

1. They might contain a completely different type of loader, something that would interest the 'tape loading fans'

2. They might well have bug fixes such as +2A-B / +3A-B compatibility added.

 

Using the examples above, there seems not a mass need to make available the little content on "Games compilation two" unless it really did have something special in the available title, however for "Games compilation one" to my mind at least it would make sense to make this available minus the denied titles.

 

All the above is just my own thoughts, I'm not trying to get anyone anywhere to change their policies. :)


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#2 jetsetdanny

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 09:05 PM

My quick take on it would be: if a site wants to respect the available/denied rules, it should not make available for download any "denied" titles. So even if one title within a compilation is denied, the whole compilation should not be available for download.

 

However, for the sake of making available the titles which are not denied, my suggestion would be, if possible technically, to strip the compilation of the "denied" titles and leave only the "non-denied" ones within the file.

 

I know this will be a modified file, but personally I don't care. My interest would be to be able to see / play the "non-denied" titles, not to see an unchanged tape.

 

If such a modification of the compilation were not possible, my second suggestion would be to make available for download only the "non-denied" titles (especially the ones which may be of interest to the members of/ visitors to this forum), by extracting them out of the compilation. Should this be impossible to do, technically, I don't know - I suppose the users would have to look for these compilations elsewhere...


Edited by jetsetdanny, 17 October 2017 - 09:06 PM.


#3 Spider

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 09:25 PM

Its quite easy to remove the 'item in question' from the tap/tzx file leaving the 'permitted/allowed' ones present obviously. :)

 

Partly for the two reasons I mentioned above it sort of why it is possibly worth having them available (allows parts only) but this does destroy the originality of it I know, but if this means a 'fixed version' is available...

 

I suppose another way of doing this without ruining anything would be something like this:

 

1. Game one (denied)

2. Game two (available)

3. Game three (available)

4. Game four (denied)

5. Game five (denied)

 

Now, this compilation will never be available 'as is' as its contents forbid it. However a solution could be quite simple: The 'allowed' titles, strip these out into their own individual tape files aka "game two.tap" , "game three.tap" and then put these two into the listings for the games 'own individual listing' as a 're-release' as that is in effect what it is.

 

 

Would a practical and relevant example help to explain this ? :) I think it would. I won't put the links up but anyway JSW1 the re-release on the "Sold A Million" tapes, both of these compilations are not available as they contain denied titles, there's actually two versions / releases of this 'first' compilation too, just to complicate matters but it does not really help to explain as the difference between them is simply both have a denied title present.

 

Both versions of this compilation contain the Speedlock variant of JSW, this is not on the main JSW listing page as a re-release, potentially preventing it being used as its not (AFAIK) listed anywhere else.


Edited by Spider, 17 October 2017 - 09:35 PM.

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