Jet Set Willy speedrunning videos

[IRF]

Nice investigative work, RB!

By the way, when you say 'stair clip', are you referring to jumping through the ramp in 'Foot of MegaTree' without landing on it?  i.e. getting the start position of the jump right so that Willy doesn't land on a ramp cell with his back foot, so that he jumps and falls through the ramp in a single manoeuvre - which in this case allows him to get ahead of the saw so he doesn't have to wait for it to move ahead and then jump over it later?

[RuffledBricks]

 

2 minutes ago, IRF said:

Nice investigative work, RB!

By the way, when you say 'stair clip', are you referring to jumping through the ramp in 'Foot of MegaTree' without landing on it?  i.e. getting the start position of the jump right so that Willy doesn't land on a ramp cell with his back foot, so that he jumps and falls through the ramp in a single manoeuvre - which in this case allows him to get ahead of the saw so he doesn't have to wait for it to move ahead and then jump over it later?

That's right. So if you got stair clip into the Offy First route then the difference in time would be even more pronounced.

[IRF]

So, it seems I may have led you down the garden path, both figuratively and literally... 😜

Still, it's nice to see that triple jump in Out on a Limb in action, swiftly followed by the BOGOFF death jump! 🙂

Edited May 17, 2021 by IRF

[IRF]

I've just tried out the jump/fall-through-the ramp-and-over-the-saw in one jump manoeuvre in 'Foot of MegaTree', and it's actually quite easy to pull off.  You just have to make sure that Willy is in his 'feet wide apart' stance next to the base of the ramp, at the point when he begins the jump.

[RuffledBricks]

10 minutes ago, IRF said:

I've just tried out the jump/fall-through-the ramp-and-over-the-saw in one jump manoeuvre in 'Foot of MegaTree', and it's actually quite easy to pull off.  You just have to make sure that Willy is in his 'feet wide apart' stance next to the base of the ramp, at the point when he begins the jump.

I'm glad you find it easy. I really struggle a lot with that one. The biggest issue is I tend to turn left too early and end up not jumping through the stairs at all, which is a real pain to fix. That's why if I'm going to fail it, I try to fail it by turning too late, as then you can just default to the 'follow the saw' timing I used in the videos.

Also, the timing's really tight. It's not a position that you can take your time over setting up. You have to literally hit it the moment you get to the bottom of the stairs if you want to jump over the Saw AND not get killed by the last Flying Rodent. So there's a lot of ways in which it can go wrong.

Edited May 17, 2021 by RuffledBricks

[IRF]

One final word on the relative timings for Off Licence first versus MegaTree first - I think the difference* would be even more marginal if you were comparing the two routes being conducted with only two spare lives remaining at the start of each run.

(*By which I mean the absolute difference in seconds - i.e. Off Licence first would be the same percentage faster, but both runs would be shorter anyway, if you see what I mean?)

[RuffledBricks]

Just now, IRF said:

One final word on the relative timings for Off Licence first versus MegaTree first - I think the difference* would be even more marginal if you were comparing the two routes being conducted with only two spare lives remaining at the start of each run.

(*By which I mean the absolute difference in seconds - i.e. Off Licence first would be the same percentage faster, but both runs would be shorter anyway, if you see what I mean?)

Absolutely, but that isn't an argument for doing it the other way round. At best, it suggests that it doesn't matter that much if you're doing a casual speedrun and you prefer to do MegaTree first. But it's still not going to be as optimum as the currently favoured route.

[IRF]

12 minutes ago, RuffledBricks said:

Also, the timing's really tight. It's not a position that you can take your time over setting up. You have to literally hit it the moment you get to the bottom of the stairs if you want to jump over the Saw AND not get killed by the last Flying Rodent. So there's a lot of ways in which it can go wrong.

I had those vertical guardians down as being Bats, so it seems you agree with me on that point!  (I can't think of any other flying rodents!)

[IRF]

6 minutes ago, RuffledBricks said:

Absolutely, but that isn't an argument for doing it the other way round. At best, it suggests that it doesn't matter that much if you're doing a casual speedrun and you prefer to do MegaTree first. But it's still not going to be as optimum as the currently favoured route.

I won't disagree with that.  On the other hand, I think the time saving you would gain by perfecting the 'stair clip' is probably at least as much, if not more than, the 2 second difference that you've just established between the 'Offy First'/'MegaTree first' routes!

[RuffledBricks]

4 minutes ago, IRF said:

I won't disagree with that.  On the other hand, I think the time saving you would gain by perfecting the 'stair clip' is probably at least as much, if not more than, the 2 second difference that you've just established between the 'Offy First'/'MegaTree first' routes!

It is, but for my own sanity, it's one of those 'take or leave' strats for me. Nice to have it in a run if you can get it - and I do certainly try going for it in a full run - but just not consistent enough to really be like "Well, it's this strat or the run's dead."

Edited May 18, 2021 by RuffledBricks