IRF Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) Isn't it the theme tune to The South Bank Show? EDIT: Actually, I don't think it is. Richard Hallas will probably know, if he chances across this (off-topic) query... Edited March 25, 2021 by IRF Spider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) Thanks. 🙂 Its well beyond my area (musical items) at all, example being Zzoom, I've heard that title so many times but I cannot put a name to it 😞 🙂 I do remember at least a couple of people said it sounded vaguely familiar but could not place it. I did wonder if that Shazam program might be able to ID but decided to not bother installing any random stuff to find out. South Bank Show ? 😮 I remember that from the 80's ? I did not know it was still about. Edited March 25, 2021 by Spider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRF Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 I don't think it is still about! Spider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtM Posted March 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 It certainly references Toccata and Fugue by Bach I would say I don't recognise it as a genuine classical piece, I agree with IRF. It doesn't seem to appear in this list, Alchemist. https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=2669&hilit=classical Spider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRF Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 12 hours ago, MtM said: It certainly references Toccata and Fugue by Bach I would say Yes, if you skip to 3 minutes into that video, that sounds like it might be it. Spider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 I had a good friend also download and listen to it, but again she could not ID it either. Perhaps it just "sounds like" a section of something else and that is the reasoning. I'm not sure. Quite a few level intro tunes in Specventure (this is a decent game trying to get out) are vaguely familiar too. IRF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 I think I'll probably extract its player code and tune data (likely uses ROM routine anyway not checked but a lot of early games do) and then assemble a quick stand-alone .tap file. I'm hoping @Richard Hallasmay be able to confirm or deny its a 'real tune' as such. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRF Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 I've already asked him (by email), and he also thought it was 'influenced by Bach' (but not actually 'by Bach'). jetsetdanny and Spider 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 Ah OK no problem. 🙂 Appreciate you checking for me and "thanks Richard" too. I will still extract it however. 😉 Moving on in 'platforms in general' both Kokotoni Wilf and Frank-N-Stein are well worth a mention. The former for having a 'fly' feature instead of jump. The latter for aside from being majority written in (compiled) Basic the jump feature only works directly vertical in certain places. The re-release updated 'rebooted' version does expand on this to a more regular jump routine in the bonus screens. IRF and Richard Hallas 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Hallas Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, Spider said: I'm hoping @Richard Hallasmay be able to confirm or deny its a 'real tune' as such. 🙂 As Ian has just said, he emailed me this question directly a few days ago. I might as well reproduce my response to him here… Quote If it is an extract of real/known music, then I don't know what it is. However, I suspect very strongly that it's a short original piece that's derived from Bach's most famous Toccata and Fugue – i.e. that in D minor, BWV565. No, it clearly isn't identical. But it's very similar indeed to a couple of phrases that could have been extracted from BVW565. Moreover, it's in the same key (i.e. D minor), which supports the idea that the game author heard the piece and made up something quite similar. So I strongly suspect that the author simply came up with a couple of decent-sounding Bach-like phrases, probably based on a hearing of BWV565. It's a perfectly valid thing to do, and I think it works well here. I'd be quite surprised, in fact, if this isn't exactly what happened. If only it were possible to contact the author to find out! 🙂 Anyway, that's my take on it. Rip-off Bach, as is quite common, but fairly well done. It's either deliberate or subconscious, I'm sure, but I'd put money on BWV565 being the source. PS Further to the above, it's also worth noting that there are actually only two phrases in the Alchemist theme (both of them repeated), and although the second phrase sounds faster and more complex than the first, that's only because of the pedal note (the repeated upper note, on the fifth of the scale). Without that pedal note, the two phrases actually go at the same speed and are very similar indeed. So really, it boils down to being a single short and slightly modified extract from BWV565, as far as I'm concerned. Spider, IRF, MtM and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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