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Jet Set Willy 3d has been something I have wanted to see since seeing the original Tomb Raider on the Sega Saturn / PSX in November of 1996, as soon as I saw it made me think that this is how it could be realised. The interpretation of MM in 3D is fair, but also makes me think of Nebulous on the Spectrum and C64, as well as various Mario games on various Nintendo bits of hardware. I agree that perhaps there is something more that could be done to it, though it would take more thought. I am not a complete fan of the implementation as it stands, but I would love to see it finished and would certainly pay for it.

Hmm. I wanted to say yes, but was not sure where I might of seen it. Does this help? http://www.jdawiseman.com/papers/games/jsw2/jsw2_cartography.html#cartography_room_3x Or maybe this? https://www.the-tipshop.co.uk/cgi-bin/info.pl?name=Jet Set Willy II

Top work there RB, you are clearly someone who practices a _lot_. I think you should definitely mention this in an interview, you never know, the person interviewing may be a JSW / MM fan 😉 In truth, I don't think I could do a speed run. Although I am competent, I do not have the time to practice really. Maybe MM, but not JSW, certainly not JSW2. Very entertaining and instructional though, please keep posting your videos!

My goodness, mustn't it just - RB, please, explain how you organised that if you would be so kind? Presumably a list somewhere in your eyeline with the rooms on in order you need to go to? I have never seen anything like it! Incredibly impressive.

>Firstly, I have to say I've played several Miner Willy mods on stream and TNE was by far my favourite. I've >played other mods that seemed determined to make JSW as difficult as possible and often they've felt >either joylessly gruelling or just rather clumsy (I won't name any specific mods in case any of the creators >happen to be on this board!). Also, few of them seemed to tap into the design flair that Matthew Smith >brought to the table with his original games. Hello RB, Good to have another new member here, so welcome! The degree of knowledge and ability on this forum (myself excluded) is second to none in the entire world. You certainly bring good evidence of your own ability in the great fun video of JSW TNE you made, so thank you for that, you are a very worthy addition. I agree entirely with the quote from you above too, could not of put it better myself. The line between being an enjoyable game and just too hard is a fine one. I think as we age as older gamers, personally anyway, my patience for trying to overcome rock hard first or second screens is not what it once was, and that is probably a good thing, because it reflects a more critical way of thinking. Check out Manic Panic if you can, a brilliant piece of work by Norman Sword on these forums, well worth it, a state of the art MM modification with some genuine flair about it in the same mold as MS himself I think. I hope Norman doesn't object to that description. But in truth, all the people or here who have done mods have done brilliant work for free. Please keep up the good work and keep us updated with your latest videos of MM & JSW 🙂 MtM

I have finally gotten around to listening to all those 'glorious' versions of Moonlight Sonata and Blue Danube. Some of the versions of Sonata are great fun. Having listened to all of them though I think the original Danube in MM is still the worst 😉 I take my hat off for all the time and trouble taken to produce them by IRF etc and of course originally Dr B, commendable, and finally an explanation is provided as to _why_ it sounds as comically bad as it does, after all these years. The level of expertise and knowledge on this forum rarely fails to amaze me, it is genuinely humbling.

Managed to miss this thread for a bit folks, can I add my complete gratitude to Norman for his superb work in Manic Panic too, it is just superb, so thank you Norman.

Happy New Year all! Special mention on this thread today. Some of you may have watched the annual New Year's Day concert from Vienna, and you may know that it always finishes with the Radetzky March by Johann Strauss Sr, which is the in-game music from both the original Tecnhician Ted on the old 48k beeper, and the ay version on Technician Ted: The Megamix. Just thought I would flag this up, both the concert itself if you haven't seen it (yet) and the music, one of my absolute favourites, I cannot hear the Radetzky March without always thinking of Technician Ted, bit like Hall of the Mountain King and Moonlight Sonata / If I Were a Rich Man with MM & JSW respectively (The comically awful excerpt from The Blue Danube at the opening of MM I don't count, not least that memory belongs rightly to playing Elite ;-)) The concert is on BBC Four at 7pm this evening if in the UK. The Radetzky March will be on at around 8.35pm or so. Enjoy!

Thank you for that, very kind - but I try and avoid these maps for when I play the actual game myself through and map it myself, or at least that is the plan, anyway 😂 These maps take me back to the glory days of WoS, when everything was so easy to find and download 😉

yes I agree, going down the old vm route probably isn't worth it. I will get around to it at some point though. In truth if time were not an issue I think I would prefer to do a Manic Miner Easter game in time for Easter next year, then a MM Christmas game afterwards for next Christmas. There is a precedent for this - some may remember Chuckie Egg II on the Spectrum, that was released at Easter 1985 to coincide with the whole chocolate egg theme, something that you had to do in the game, construct a chocolate egg. Anyway, it all remains a pipe dream at the moment...

I think you are right, Spider, if you look at http://www.jdawiseman.com/papers/games/jsw2/jsw2_updated.html Derek Rowson himself explains. Never saw that screen in TT2, but I do not play it enough. I build up momentum to think, right, I will play this now all the way through, but never quite get around to it. One day maybe. I do consider both TTs as classics, technically better than JSW but lacking the slightly easier and in this instance better gameplay mechanics. However, both TT's do reward real practice. If you can finish them then you can probably complete anything. Such a pity the authors never went on to other things. Costa Capers remains a bit of an oddity, part Dynamite Dan, part Wally game, part TT, but not quite there really. I do think it is brilliant though technically and narratively too, you can see the programmers stretching their wings both technically and game play wise. Anyway, I hope we are all having a wonderful Christmas ...

Merry Christmas to us all, and to all a good night 😉 Norman, that is a wonderful picture of Willy and Maria. I never really thought of them like that before 😉 I guess things can change after 36 years or so. Let us hope that the New Year brings better things and relief for everyone. And new MM & JSW games too! Literally playing MM original on mac Fuse as I type !

Yes, I have yet to install the latest version, but even that sounds like it will look quite tiny at 4k. You can't really run monitors in less that native without them looking poor visually. No matter, I will manage. I am swapping between my pc and an m1 MacBook pro at the moment, so not able to get any time on the editor whilst on the mac as I am now. However, Fuse works well on the mac under big sur for what it is worth. Thanks for the info from everyone about the different versions etc. I have assumed there is no such editor available for the mac. Hope everyone is prepared for Christmas and has a safe time of it. MM for me Christmas Day once I get a bit of time, the original, will try and play through all 20 caverns, will probably give the Bug Byte version a go this time. I hope everyone gets what they have asked Father Christmas for too. Maybe this should be on a different thread, sorry ....

If I weren't so very busy this week I would have given it a bit more of a go. In truth, some time off next week, so maybe then ... I will install the latest version too. As I jokingly said though, on my 4k display the editor screen is tiny, there doesn't seem to be any way of expanding it. It is usable, but not easy to read. Am I being thick or is it locked like this?

Very well presented that, I really like it. I will subscribe. Don't know if this is the best place, but did you all see this when it appeared? https://blakearts.artstation.com/projects/0nlgw5?album_id=2519164 MM 3D no less.

For what it is worth, I am all in favour of something as rough and ready as you like, just a few Christmas screens might be fun, especially in MM.

Well, your words must have had some effect, and the link provided made it very easy, so I _did_ download and install it last night and had a very quick look. I must say it looks splendid on my 4k desktop 😉 I have gone for the most stable version, 2.2.9 - is the version you mention considerably different? However, I will see what I can do when I can. Perhaps tonight...

That is fair comment I think, but there is part of me that would like some rough and ready few levels to play now for this Christmas, I know that is a bit selfish of me. There was the tremendous MM done for the start of lockdown this year with 10 levels, I know not much changed in it but none the less, there is such expertise on these forums. But I know too people are busy with Christmas. It is more realistic to think something could be done for next Christmas I guess.

You know, it has been a dream to sit and do this, make my own JSW game, I would love to do it, ever since I played the magical original it changed and inspired my life, as odd as that may sound but probably not among the people on here. (I have deliberately never completed JSW the original, as once it is finished that is like the end, the magic is over - I am happy with the mystery.) Like many folk though, it's the time to do it, work, family etc. very difficult to think I will commit a _lot_ of time to doing something like that, even though I would personally get a big kick out of uploading it here, even if just a few of the real faithful on this site played it that would be good enough. Maybe one day, maybe ... but I take your comments and reply seriously, and it is noted, so thank you.

Norman Sword, Norman Sword - we love you! But we only have 14 days to save the earth with a Christmas Manic Miner! 😉

Right! This must happen. Let us set up a Kickstarter to fund it, with a Next version, and have it ready for next year's Christmas! Well, we can dream. It does sound like a splendid idea for a JSW though. I am slightly relieved that I haven't missed a Christmas themed MM or JSW somewhere. Maybe a Christmas themed MM would be both easier and quicker do? Perhaps this is a weekend challenge for all those much more talented than me - to make a rough and ready Christmas MM in time for this Christmas? Even if just a few sprites and cells changed? I will pay money for it! A little anyway.

I have downloaded v.1.5 Norman. Thanks for all your hard work and keeping the faith. Now, is there a Christmas version of MM or JSW I have missed somewhere? MOD EDIT: The posts within this topic were split out of the original 'Download Discussion Topic' for Manic Panic, with hopefully a suitable title.

Ho! Excellent news! Like an early Christmas present! Very happy _the_ MM/JSW resource is back online. How about a Christmas MM version to celebrate?

Apologies if this has been seen already ... https://spectrumcomputing.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2985 It's quite good fun. I would expect 100% from the people on here...

Is Manic Panic finished then Norman, or anything else in store with it?